Force-pooled to frack

Then Chipper, I hate to inform you that it would not be the family fortune, it would be Stanley Marcus' fortune. I have some wealthy people in my family also but I do not call their wealth the family fortune because none of it is mine or my brothers. Kind of makes it not the family fortune, do you see?

I did inherit some mineral rights from my father back in 98 when I might have been lucky enough to find someone who would buy them for $50 an acre, hardly a fortune. I do have wells pumping and I do cash a check monthly. Since you will not even consider what anyone else has to say, I do not think there is anything whatsoever that you will be able to do to effect your situation in a positive way. I have one piece of advice for you, when you are offered the chance to make an election in a forced pooling, I would not choose the 1/8 and most bonus option. If you are going to be disgruntled, I would rather see you be disgruntled with more money.

As for principles, I have also refused to lease, but that was in North Dakota and my not leasing is the basis where the checks I cash come from. Unless you are the sole owner under the drill spacing, your rights will not trump your neighbors right to produce.

Protest, make as much noise as you like, you aren't going to change the fact that if they want to drill your minerals, they are going to do it. Making the least bad choice of those offered to you is not selling out.

Gloria Lynn (Chipper) has apparently dealt with these tough decisions before. Gloria did the poor results from the Croom 1-33H sour your appetite for leasing? I believe the section in question now is 24-3N-5W whose pooling order was recommended on 7-23-13. The final order will go out soon and then you can see your options in writng and not have to rely on the misinformation furnished by Mr. Snelson.

wow, MIchael, you are telling me what I don't know, and it doesn't sound good!

Continental drilled the Croom, and we have heard nothing about it. When I called, Continental told me there are title questions going back to my great grandmother, and I might have to get all the relies together and figure out who owes what before they will distribute royalties. Then just today a landman trying to lease the section 24, you are right, told us that it hasn't been 6 months since Croom started producing so royalties would be coming.

Please share the source of your info. My issue now is wanting to participate as owners, and getting the run around from Continental. I guess I need to call a lawyer about this....

Does anyone know why Continental, or any driller, wouldn't want owners to participate, if they have fractional interests?

Michael Hutchison said:

Gloria Lynn (Chipper) has apparently dealt with these tough decisions before. Gloria did the poor results from the Croom 1-33H sour your appetite for leasing? I believe the section in question now is 24-3N-5W whose pooling order was recommended on 7-23-13. The final order will go out soon and then you can see your options in writng and not have to rely on the misinformation furnished by Mr. Snelson.

rw,

my family's fortune was made by my grandfather, also in fancy department stores, like Uncle Stanley, in the South, Parisian's. But didn't trust my mom, who was a genius at business, but a woman, and gave it the Frst National Bank in trust, and they lost it all, after he died. So enough already!!!!!!! I live in Vancouver and am moving to San Miguel in Mexico, haven't been in OK since I was nine.

I can't understand why you think my mind is made up. I am the most openminded of all people!!!!! And I know you are right that I can't change this, in two weeks.

We had a good lawyer go over the Croom lease and add depth clauses, act to NW Drilling Lease.

But Michael Hutchison just posted that the Croom was a bust. What a disappointment! Now I have to tell my sisters in the morning, and they will be disappointed. It's been fun to imagine striking oil, and learning about this world, and being proud of my grandparents buying it.

Easy come, easy go!


r w kennedy said:

Then Chipper, I hate to inform you that it would not be the family fortune, it would be Stanley Marcus' fortune. I have some wealthy people in my family also but I do not call their wealth the family fortune because none of it is mine or my brothers. Kind of makes it not the family fortune, do you see?

I did inherit some mineral rights from my father back in 98 when I might have been lucky enough to find someone who would buy them for $50 an acre, hardly a fortune. I do have wells pumping and I do cash a check monthly. Since you will not even consider what anyone else has to say, I do not think there is anything whatsoever that you will be able to do to effect your situation in a positive way. I have one piece of advice for you, when you are offered the chance to make an election in a forced pooling, I would not choose the 1/8 and most bonus option. If you are going to be disgruntled, I would rather see you be disgruntled with more money.

As for principles, I have also refused to lease, but that was in North Dakota and my not leasing is the basis where the checks I cash come from. Unless you are the sole owner under the drill spacing, your rights will not trump your neighbors right to produce.

Protest, make as much noise as you like, you aren't going to change the fact that if they want to drill your minerals, they are going to do it. Making the least bad choice of those offered to you is not selling out.

You DIDNT lease and that's the basis of your checks? How does that work?

Chipper Roth said:

rw,

my family's fortune was made by my grandfather, also in fancy department stores, like Uncle Stanley, in the South, Parisian's. But didn't trust my mom, who was a genius at business, but a woman, and gave it the Frst National Bank in trust, and they lost it all, after he died. So enough already!!!!!!! I live in Vancouver and am moving to San Miguel in Mexico, haven't been in OK since I was nine.

I can't understand why you think my mind is made up. I am the most openminded of all people!!!!! And I know you are right that I can't change this, in two weeks.

We had a good lawyer go over the Croom lease and add depth clauses, act to NW Drilling Lease.

But Michael Hutchison just posted that the Croom was a bust. What a disappointment! Now I have to tell my sisters in the morning, and they will be disappointed. It's been fun to imagine striking oil, and learning about this world, and being proud of my grandparents buying it.

Easy come, easy go!


r w kennedy said:

Then Chipper, I hate to inform you that it would not be the family fortune, it would be Stanley Marcus' fortune. I have some wealthy people in my family also but I do not call their wealth the family fortune because none of it is mine or my brothers. Kind of makes it not the family fortune, do you see?

I did inherit some mineral rights from my father back in 98 when I might have been lucky enough to find someone who would buy them for $50 an acre, hardly a fortune. I do have wells pumping and I do cash a check monthly. Since you will not even consider what anyone else has to say, I do not think there is anything whatsoever that you will be able to do to effect your situation in a positive way. I have one piece of advice for you, when you are offered the chance to make an election in a forced pooling, I would not choose the 1/8 and most bonus option. If you are going to be disgruntled, I would rather see you be disgruntled with more money.

As for principles, I have also refused to lease, but that was in North Dakota and my not leasing is the basis where the checks I cash come from. Unless you are the sole owner under the drill spacing, your rights will not trump your neighbors right to produce.

Protest, make as much noise as you like, you aren't going to change the fact that if they want to drill your minerals, they are going to do it. Making the least bad choice of those offered to you is not selling out.

Chipper, I am a force pooled carried interest in North Dakota. I have some decent wells. According to the rules in ND I receive a 16% royalty until my wells are paid off and a 50% actual cost of drilling and completing penalty are paid off then I receive 100% less cost of production and taxes. My best well should have produced 250k barrels of oil when the June numbers come out and still producing 8k-9k bbl oil a month. $400-$500 per month per acre is not huge money but it will keep me comfortable, with the $1500 per month from the 16% from the other wells and 100% when they eventually pay off. I can still participate in future wells if I feel like it and I would say conservatively there will be 20 wells per 1280 eventually although it my be my children who benefit.

As pleasant as it is to have more money, I also enjoy the fact that I have basically frustrated the purpose of the operator, they did not drill the well for the purpose of making a 50% profit on the cost of drilling and completing the well and making a paltry $4k per acre per well when the oil is worth $100,000 per acre or more from at least 3 produceable zones. I always knew there was oil there, I just wasn't liquid at the time of the drilling but I did the next best thing being non-consent under ND rules. They tell me I can still lease if I ever want to and I suppose I could if I ever lost my mind. Out of the wells I have an interest in, all will pay out. 5 were drilled when they didn't know the proper way to complete the wells and two more wells had mishaps and needed additional work increasing their cost, something to bear in mind if considering participation. I am not the operators favorite person.

Chipper, I hope you make some money off your minerals. No shame in doing so when it's going to happen anyway. You may even find a way [the rules being different in Ok.] to make more than they want to give you and give them a swift kick in the wallet which is the only place the lessee/operator ever feels any pain. I don't think they feel acute pain when the drill a dry well as it was something that was never going to be but if you can cut them out of the profit from acres under a good well, and any future good wells, it's like you took their lollipop. Good luck.

Thank you! I begin to see how this works, for a professional anyway.

You are telling me some amazing things, I didn't know. I do believe everything you are saying..... It's a whole other world for me, and it sounds like your world....

So, are we agreed the best thing to do pay whatever, the $15k/acre to participate, for the best return? I don't have anything yet against any drillers or producers, and what do they have to fear from a miniscule owner, how could I interfere? If not now, never...I know enough about that.

If we can get her done, sign on for particpiation, before the forced pooling., we will find the $.. My sister is disappointed about the Croom well, having just moved to a new horse farm, after 30 years, because the silica in the soil around Carmel Valley, Ca.ifornia, gave the horses fragile bone syndrome. Eventually, these highly trained horses all went lame.) However, she has an instinct, and wants to go for it. We can get the money. According to you, there's no risk, if all your wells are producing, right? Or wrong?

Those wells of yours are gushing, seems to me. 500 per month per acre may not be huge money to you, but I can dine out twice a day in great restaurants, or have a full time gardener, or rent a little house, for that. So, now we know who has the family fortune here! Thanks for your help.

why has no one taken me up on my offer to be lashed to a rig? That would make the Tulsa papers. Maybe rigs aren't what they are in my imagination.

Haiku for Newy Well

Feller buncher on oil rig

forced pool drilling

Metal over earth.

chipper licking lollipop

Metal over earth

new motto...if you can't lick the frackers, join them and f**k them?


r w kennedy said:

Chipper, I am a force pooled carried interest in North Dakota. I have some decent wells. According to the rules in ND I receive a 16% royalty until my wells are paid off and a 50% actual cost of drilling and completing penalty are paid off then I receive 100% less cost of production and taxes. My best well should have produced 250k barrels of oil when the June numbers come out and still producing 8k-9k bbl oil a month. $400-$500 per month per acre is not huge money but it will keep me comfortable, with the $1500 per month from the 16% from the other wells and 100% when they eventually pay off. I can still participate in future wells if I feel like it and I would say conservatively there will be 20 wells per 1280 eventually although it my be my children who benefit.

As pleasant as it is to have more money, I also enjoy the fact that I have basically frustrated the purpose of the operator, they did not drill the well for the purpose of making a 50% profit on the cost of drilling and completing the well and making a paltry $4k per acre per well when the oil is worth $100,000 per acre or more from at least 3 produceable zones. I always knew there was oil there, I just wasn't liquid at the time of the drilling but I did the next best thing being non-consent under ND rules. They tell me I can still lease if I ever want to and I suppose I could if I ever lost my mind. Out of the wells I have an interest in, all will pay out. 5 were drilled when they didn't know the proper way to complete the wells and two more wells had mishaps and needed additional work increasing their cost, something to bear in mind if considering participation. I am not the operators favorite person.

Chipper, I hope you make some money off your minerals. No shame in doing so when it's going to happen anyway. You may even find a way [the rules being different in Ok.] to make more than they want to give you and give them a swift kick in the wallet which is the only place the lessee/operator ever feels any pain. I don't think they feel acute pain when the drill a dry well as it was something that was never going to be but if you can cut them out of the profit from acres under a good well, and any future good wells, it's like you took their lollipop. Good luck.

Chipper, I didn't say the Croom was a bust just that it appears to be unimpressive in comparison to many other Woodford wells They have not yet posted any production except for the initial report of 111bopd and 3386mcfd. Usually they go downhill from there but maybe CLR has worked out the kinks.

In my opinion well participation is risky business for the uninitiated, myself included.

I would love to comment on your motto but I better leave that alone!

Chipper, participation is best if oil is there in quantity and nothing goes wrong. Those are some big "ifs". If you can't satisfy yourself that those conditions are met, I wouldn't bet the ranch on it. Then too I am naturally diversified with multiple wells in multiple spacings. Get the best geologic advice you can before investing heavily.

Chipper…Fracking does not affect the ground water! The fracked zone is thousands of feet below the fresh water zone! Use your head and quit reading all the liberal propaganda unless you can’t think for yourself.

Thank you Rick!

Hi Michael…I swear these guys have got nothing upstairs! All they know how to do is follow the marching orders of MSNBC or whatever some other liberal media station tells them to do. They really are like children and I’m getting sick of trying to babysit them! The scary part is they believe all that BS!

Rick, you know what scares the crap out of me? 2016, I'll leave it at that, some people get freaked out about talking politics on this forum.

The day the dollar loses its status as a reserve currency we will see the beginning of a massive inflation. That may happen sooner than later. Who will the MSNBC and CNN blame? Not the Democrats, that is for sure. The 2016 election will be a disaster.

It’s like they’re hell bent on destroying this country! Do whatever does not make since. I used to bite my tongue around these people but not anymore! I think that’s one reason these guys got into office, we have been way to nice!

Forgive them for they know not what they do. Some people think that there is an inexhaustible source of wealth to be exploited for social programs. They are dead wrong. When the nation's capital is totally spent on "human capital", then the human capital will turn on the system. The day the government cannot or will not fund those EBT/SNAP cards it will happen. It would be a good time to be out of this country. Did you notice that the original poster is in Canada?

yep

rick linkenhoger said:

It's like they're hell bent on destroying this country! Do whatever does not make since. I used to bite my tongue around these people but not anymore! I think that's one reason these guys got into office, we have been way to nice!