While waiting on the OCC to give me their opinion about the issues I have about commingled oil, I found this. https://www.sos.ok.gov/documents/legislation/52nd/2010/2R/SB/1615.pdf It might be something that can be done by a class action on behalf of all the mineral owners that have commingled tanks in poorly designed production facilities, or those getting fleeced with the blessing of OCC.
ha ha reading this stuff, called legislation I do believe, is akin reading the Bible in Hindu backwards. I can see no reference to property and or trespassing/non trespassing rights one way or the other, but to me, it seems to address actual minerals alone. I have been know to be wrong many times. This is how we grow. But in the case of my own lease, I do believe without looking for it right now, it seems like I recall the ability to enter is addressed and was okeedokee with myself, for whatever reason at the time. Having been out there, I have not visually seen any NO TRESPASSING signs for such reason, but have been with my brother quail and pheasant hungint in the Kansas Oklahoma area where we were prohibitted from trespass, with only hunting as intent of refusal of entry. Obeying any such sign is the first line of defense, and a very wise thing to do by any potential hunter or otherwise trespasser in question. For most people today, it is probably also the last line of defense or offense. But it is more of a losers attitude in this respect, in that we simply cave in to the whim and legalese of higher-ups who want to control everything, either by hook or crook or any other means, which they do allah the time. Sad and very wrong in my opinion.
Robert & M McM,
Something else you need to look at is your division order. I just got a new division order and it doesn’t have the special clause that says they have to pay for all oil as defined as natural gas and casing head gas, producing including all substance produced with such oil & gas. Seems we really have to watch these oil companies or everything will become by produces.
Virginia, Thank you for checking your DO. Your finding convinces me that Robert is on to something. It’s sad isn’t it…and to think that once the only oil field theft was someone stealing a little ‘drip’ to fuel their car.
Does anyone know of any activity around 6-15N-2W. I know that Devon had a completed well in 11. I am surprised that we have not been approached about leasing our small interest. On the other hand, part of our holdings were taken to build the lake so they may not be able to drill close to it. If so, a real bummer!
W Schweer,
We used to buy drip gas from the refinery in Enid, ran 3 tractors on it and did a lot of farming with it. All you had to do was double up the head gaskets and it gave you more power, just like today’s diesel.
This isn’t Cathy but—I went to work right out of hi-school in a small refinery in Kansas back in '51. I worked for awhile in the “bulk loading” area. We sold “tractor fuel” which was no more than unleaded gasoline that the state said had to be dyed green. And “drip gas”, have burned a lot of it in a Model A. If you put a quart of diesel to 5 gallonof drip it would smooth it right out.
Conversion is any distinct act of dominion wrongfully exerted over another’s personal property in denial of or inconsistent with his rights therein, . . ., or any wrongful exercise or assumption of authority personally or by procurement, over another’s goods, depriving him of the possession, permanently or for an indefinite time. The act must be essentially tortious, but it is not essential to conversion sufficient to support the action of trover that the defendant should have the complete manucaption of the property, or that he apply the property to his own use, if he has exercised dominion over it in exclusion of, in defiance of, or inconsistent with the owner’s right.
United States Zinc, Co. v. Colburn , 1927 OK 76 255 P.688, 689. Also see Welty v. Martinaire of Oklahoma, Inc., 1994 OK 10, 867 P.2d 1273, 1275 (“Conversion is any act of dominion wrongfully exerted over another’s personal property in denial of or inconsistent with his rights therein.”)
Martha,
Your “drip” comment took me way back. I will never forget that when I was about 10 and in grade school, one of the guys a few years older than me parked next to my dad and me. His car was shuddering and when my dad got out he said" Billy, if that is drip from my place, make sure you close the gate when you leave" I had no idea what he was talking about. He told me but made me promise that I would never do it since there was no lead in the gas and it could harm your engine. Today you could run any car on it, but there isn’t any drip.
Ron,
If they use the same borehole, but kick out and drill another direction, it requires a new permit since it is a different well. They can do it as many times as the casing in the borehole will permit as far as stability. Not many are usually done and they have to plug off the previous well bore first. Only very specialized wells can have two production liners simultaneously producing from different zones. Very rare.
They can frac a well as many times as the casing stability will allow, not many times (also too expensive, so it better be worth it.) The frac-ing will only affect a localized zone around the borehole. In the horizontal holes, about a max of 300’ in diameter, so no, it is not designed to go into other folks’ sections due to the spacing rules. (Can be some issues with the vertical closeness of thin reservoirs which is being discussed elsewhere on the forum)
WS, there was a well in 6-15N-2W in 2002, but nothing new at the moment.
W Schweer, my dad worked the oil fields all his life and repaired his own cars and trucks and he told stories of guys who fixed their trucks to run the drip. Virginia, OK is a ‘Dominant Mineral State’, so I guess Devon could claim that their locks on gates fencing production equipment and meters is in the best interest of producing the minerals. What do you think?
I always wondered back when they came out with un-leaded gasoline, that it sureely must be a total fraud to make consumers pay the oil companies not to put lead in the gasoline? My Father said his Alis Chalmers C would run on water for a while by just adding a little home brew to it. I don’t think he ever tested it because he and our neighborhood farmers always drank the home brew faster than they could get it mixed into the AChalmers. We kids never drank any of their home brew. Never. Really. Honest. Did I tell you they made it in a porcelopn bathtub, that was not even hooked up to a bathroom yet. LOL Still lived with the outhouse privvy.
Virginia—isn’t what we call “casing head” today pretty much the same product that we called “drip gas” then? We’ve got more casing head because of technology and better equipment. Back in the good ol’ days they blended casing head into the gasoline tanks to raise the octane number to make specs.
“Land rigs accounted entirely for the sharp 23-unit increase in the US drilling rig count during the week ended Jan. 17, 2014 Baker Hughes Inc. reported. The US now has 1,777 rigs working.” http://www.ogj.com/articles/2014/01/baker-hughes-us-drilling-rig-co…
Get ready folks, they are ‘ramping’ it up.
HOUSTON, Jan. 22, 2014
“TransCanada Corp. has begun crude oil shipments between Cushing, Okla., and Nederland, Tex., on its Gulf Coast Project pipeline. The 36-in. OD, 485-mile pipeline has an initial design capacity of 700,000 b/d, expandable to 830,000 b/d. Deliveries on the pipeline will be used in the Beaumont-Port Arthur refining center.”
http://www.ogj.com/articles/2014/01/transcanada-begins-gulf-coast-p…
Martha McM.
I haven’t found a law that restricts owners from entry their own land, but Devon may be able to keep them off the pad because of equipment and liability. Maybe an OK attorney can give us an answer.
I think Devon is smarter than keeping the landowner off the property as no one within miles would lease to them again if they enforced a no trespassing.
Robert,
Have you heard anything from OCC regarding the metering?
Robert, You have probably already talked to the OCC Logan Co Field Inspector, but others may need to know that: OCC just told me surface owners can call the OCC Kingfisher Office @ 405-375-5570 and ask for the Logan Co Field Inspector and they will give you his number to call. OCC also stated that it is customary for the surface owner to have a key to locked well sites, but OCC does not regulate surface.
Catherine,
Thanks for the information. Now we just have to find the drip gas and I may be back into farming and can make a profit. I still have my old John pops and “L” case tractors that loved the stuff. Wonder if I could even steer that L case anymore like I did when I was 14.
My parents had a friend who worked at the Enid refinery and they told us that they sold the drip gas because they had to balance the books and no one knew what well it came off of.
Very interesting, Martha, and it comes as no surprise to myself. 36 x OD, of course, referring to Outside Diameter, I think, which is a pretty hefty piece of pipeline, dependent on what is taken away by the inside diameter. Would it take upwards to a full inch in order tu support the weight of anything flowing through it? Sagainaw does not make this known, and they are probably the most influential steel pipe manufacturers around, we see their pipe supporting Waffle House signs across the nation and much, much more. Trans Canada, is this not the company waiting for the northern portion of the Keystone Pipeline to be built? Us what they are calling GULF COAST PROJECT pipeline actually the Cushing-Port Arthur pipeline, already completed under President Obama’s instructions nearly 2 years ago not? I still believe Obama is probably the best friend we mineral owners have in Logan County and Oklahoma, he has done more for us than anyone maybe except for Boone Pickens. We should count our little blessings.