Tim, I’m not a fan of the EPA, but we need to find different answers to fracing than fresh water.
Robert, If you ever need here’s US Title 18: Conservation of Power and Water Resources - PART 356—PRESERVATION OF RECORDS FOR OIL PIPELINE COMPANIES http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=3b362ad5d22d2b0…
Robert
there is no Carl sr.
the wetland on my dads farm is in the corners or dead furrows from plowing. the aerial photographs were taken after a large rain. there is no wetland there never was.
when the drilling rig moved in they had to change the location of the rig due to the designated wetland.
the fictional movie gasland is credited with creating the saying “Halliburton loophole” tied to dick cheney in 2005
Martha you might think you have something set up until another gov agency says you dont
For those how don’t know the Koch’s. After reading these ariticles, I decided to boycott Quilted Northern, but I’m not selling my Bank of America stock.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/koch-brothers-family-hi…
http://progressivenetwork.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/companies-owned-…
Robert
my dads farm is not far from yours, the epa has already designated part of his farm as a wetland, they also threatened to fence the area off and allow public access. they can do the same to yours.
the only reasoning I can find on some of your posts is that maybe you watched the gasland movie and didn’t realize it was fiction?
while your at it you might consider prior to Richard Nixon creating the epa oil companies would drill a well then just pump the oil out all over the poor farmers land. luckily the epa stepped in and forced oil companies haul the oil off and sell it.
sarcasm aside. like any government program with good intentions the epa has gone bad.
it is true oil locations are not required to capture storm water. the water that runs off a location after a rain to comply with the clean water act. if they drilled in the middle of a city they might be forced to install storm drains that would carry rain water to where it goes anyway. oil companies are not exempt from polluting water.
the epa polluted more ground water then any organization in history when they introduced MTBE. mtbe made gasoline thinner or slick enough that if any tanks leaked the carcinogen mtbe ran straight down to the drinking water. that’s why all the tanks had to be replaced when they phased out leaded gasoline.
devon energy set up a large lake to reuse frac water some wrote it off as a oil skimming scam?
btw. a swd well is a injection well
I am glad there are people like Robert attempting to keep a check on what the oil companies are doing.
however I certainly don’t believe Obama or the epa is on our side or will ever purposely do us any favors
Carl,
Way before the Obama administration the EPA was charged with preserving wetlands on private and public lands. Part of that was to prevent flooding, and part of that was to prevent filling in of wetlands and destroying wildlife habitat. If the EPA designated a part of Carl Sr.'s farm as wetlands then probably it is wetlands. All these issues came about when people upstream started filling in wetlands and caused flooding downstream on some other farmers land or flooded towns. I dont know what happened with Carl Sr. but I am guessing something caused the incident with the EPA. Knowing your dad, I am guessing he gave as good as he got. I never saw gas-land. But I remember the Chesapeake well in kingfisher county producing gas out of a creek a couple of miles away from where they were drilling. It took them a long time to plug that well. I know for a fact that pressure from a well can migrate through old wellbores, natural fractures and faults to the surface. It happened in Prudhoe Bay, and it happens all the time in all kinds of oilfields. Oklahoma is covered in thousands of abandoned wells plugged with hay, cotton, and red clay back in the early 1920s. These wells are not on the map. If a frac is performed anywhere near these wells, you can expect migration to the ground water and to the surface. Here is a link to all the exemptions for oil companies to get around EPA and other regulations. http://www.shalegas.energy.gov/resources/060211_earthworks_fs_oilga…
And from the EPA itself: http://www.epa.gov/osw/nonhaz/industrial/special/oil/oil-gas.pdf
So as you can see, we need a stronger EPA, not a weaker one. Hopefully after eight years of the Clinton administration, (after Obama,) we can finally get some common sense control over our polluters.
Robert, what I am concerned about is how the EPA is going to require farmers and ranchers, (and you and me) to apply for permits on any procedure that will eventually affect navigable rivers. As my Dad used to tell me," S__t flows downhill" and so does water. Since so much water is required to frac wells, I am highly suspicious of the EPA using this law to stop fracing and basically shut down the oil industry. We can say that Obama is all about natural gas, but it is clear that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth, and the EPA side scares the hell out of me. Water is the key. Stop water, stop our energy boom.
Tim,
I was an oil and gas inspector for the BLM inspecting oil and gas wells on indian and federal lands. I worked with the EPA in that regard. I worked in Prudhoe Bay Alaska for 24 years. The problem with the incessant cries from the corporate bought politicians is that the EPA is going to do this and do that, and we should all be afraid. Here is the way it works. The EPA or any government agency promulgates rules. It goes into a review period where the industries effected and the general public get to comment and argue against or for the rules. The EPA listens and changes the proposed rules. Then there is rule making after that period. Now if you are talking about CAFOs, that spew 5000 tons of pig manure on the same ground every day, and there are tests that indicate that the aquifer is being polluted and the neighbors cant drink their water, and no one can swim in the local lakes because of the bacteria, and algae blooms, and fish kills, then that is a different matter. Lets be honest here. Frank Lucas and the rest of the Kochlahomans that get elected year after year represent corporate interests period. They have done nothing to help the little guy in this state, and in fact have done plenty to hurt us. Frank took away your direct farm payments, Obama did not. The “farmers” that they represent sit in an office and have illegal immigrants run the pig farms and the chicken farms; they never get their hands dirty. Not one cow calf operator has ever been permitted by the EPA for using water on his land. I am a small cow calf operator, and I do a little farming. I have a buffer strip between all my fields and my ponds and creeks. This absorbs any runoff of fertilizer, with nitrogen loving plants. We real farmers probably do contribute to some pollution of the creeks and waterways, but it is easily controlled with some responsibility, but even so, it isn’t permitted by the government. The republican party has been crying wolf now for six years telling me to be afraid of the black man in the white-house. For me they have “Trumped” themselves. Now all I hear are stupid racists with bad hair. I am much more afraid of the stuck on stupid representatives we have in Oklahoma, that have taken away our right to a jury verdict if we are maimed by irresponsible manufacturers, or given hepatitis by bad dentists from Tulsa. If we are hurt at work we can no longer go to our own doctors, but have to go to the Koch brothers doctor. And any long term disability is determined by political appointees. Now we are charged a fee if we put solar panels on our houses. They refuse to mandate storm cellars in schools. I guess it boils down to your vision of America. There is the refinery on the hill surrounded by little shacks of minimum wage workers, or there is the vision that if you work in this country you can get ahead, and leave something to your children. There are Oklahoman s, and there are Kochlahomans. I choose to make the world a better place, and will argue with the government if I think they are getting out of hand. Sell your pond water, and fear not. I promise I will shut up now. 
There seems to be alot of concern for our water tables and their levels, and it involves the using of everyone’s water, no matter what the physical location may or may not be. Like was just stated, water flows downhill, which means fromhigher elevations, I do not know the elevations of Colorado Springs vs Arkansas City vs Port Arthur, Txas, so do not fly with me, but I have to think that this water goes Southward and always has, but the levels are getting lower in many areas simply because of draught conditions. At some point, many hundreds of little town will simply be running completely out of water, and there seems to be no fix for it in sight. In California, it has already happened, and many towns are already suing for a drop of water. Where does it end?
Does anyone have information in CO 2 storage? http://co2public.er.usgs.gov/viewer/
Carl, So far it’s working - they have had to go around the long way to build the access roads, pads etc. and my lease addresses the protection of the eco system also.
Carl,
Sorry, I was thinking of your brother GW. I think I drank too much whiskey in the 70s.
Propane gas (gel) fracking has been developed, but it’s not used because it’s more expensive than water. Texas pond water is going for more than .60 - .75 cents per barrel in the worst drought areas.
Hard to believe this is Logan co.,ok. Sounds like Logan co. California
If you don’t like the EPA, call the Oklahoma Soil Conservation office for your county. They established a protected eco system for our ranch 10 years ago. Most of the Payne county office agents graduated from OSU, had masters degrees and were born and raised in OK.
It was in the proverbial tea leaves at one time, I udderstand, that another well was in the lineup for Ruffed Grouse, 20 17n 3w, I think it is, and that it would be drilled in the direct6ion towards the Wolf Well, which I think is SW from Ruffed Grouse? Ruffed Grouse came in last June finis, but initial results were somewhat disappointing.
N Dakota is cracking down on flaring. http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article1363882.ece
Allah this stuff is so overwhelming, we can see and experience the problems we have as mineral owners, but few of us recognize few, if any, of the problems the producers and oil companies have every minute of the day. The get it from all sides and directions, and when they goof up royally, it costs them millions of dollars and usually, unknown to any of us, heads roll in the form of thefiring of personnel who may or may not be connected to what brought it all on.
Sir Ron Von, Thanks for posting the print. Watch what happens in the Bakken, as OK will experience much of the same, because both continuous-type plays are Mississippian and Devonian age carbonate formations.
Robert I have a good friend who is works for the EPA. The stories that he is telling me about the EPA will curl every hair on your body. I don’t doubt that the EPA is a viable agency, but when given complete freedom to pursue Obama’s political objectives under the thin veil of "what’s right for the environment and to address Climate change, it’s enough to make me real darn skeptical and very worried. We will agree to disagree on this one, but i certainly appreciate your opinions, and others on here as well.