Can anyone tell me how many acres are contained in the following:
1. N/2 SW/4 OF SECTION 27, TOWNSHIP 5 SOUTH, RANGE 1 WEST
2. E/2 NE/4 NE/4; SW 4 NE/4NE/4; SW/4 NW/4 NE/4; N/2 S/2 NE/4 OF SECTION 35,TOWNSHIP 5 SOUTH RANGE 1 WEST
3. NW/4; W/2 NW/4 NE/4 OF SECTION 36, TOWNSHHIP 5 SOUTH, RANGE 1 WEST
I'm sure that I could do it easily, but I don't want to. Not on the clock, however.
If you give someone a fish, they eat for a day. If you teach someone to fish, they eat for a lifetime.
A section is 640 acres. The NW/4 is 160 acres. The NE/4 is 160 acres. The SW/4 is 160 acres. The SE/4 is 160 acres. The NW/4 of the SE/4 is 40 acres. The N/2 of the NW/4 of the SE/4 is 20 acres.
Do you get the drift? Figure the rest out.
Good luck.
You must be kidding! Other thoughts have crossed my mind.
No, it's very doable with the good jumpstart I gave you.
Good teaching example, Dave
Dave Quincy said:
No, it's very doable with the good jumpstart I gave you.
I will answer No. 1. The answer is 80 acres.
Thanks. I guess you really are trying to help this old old dog learn something. Would you mind telling me if I'm right about my calculations for the following: SW1/4 of the SE1/4 of Sec 1 and the NW1/4 of the NE1/4 and the NE 1/4 of the NW 1/4 of Sec 12 = 5 acres total
It would be 120.
SW 1/4 of SE 1/4 = 40.
NW 1/4 of NE 1/4 = 40
NE 1/4 of NW 1/4 = 40
Michael A Strong said:
Thanks. I guess you really are trying to help this old old dog learn something. Would you mind telling me if I'm right about my calculations for the following: SW1/4 of the SE1/4 of Sec 1 and the NW1/4 of the NE1/4 and the NE 1/4 of the NW 1/4 of Sec 12 = 5 acres total
The answer to No. 3 of your original problem is 180 acres.
The NW/4 is 160 acres.
W/2 NW/4 NE/4 = 20 acres
I have a deed from the county with that description but stating in writing that it totals 5 undivided acres?
Dave Quincy said:
It would be 120.SW 1/4 of SE 1/4 = 40.
NW 1/4 of NE 1/4 = 40
NE 1/4 of NW 1/4 = 40
Michael A Strong said:Thanks. I guess you really are trying to help this old old dog learn something. Would you mind telling me if I'm right about my calculations for the following: SW1/4 of the SE1/4 of Sec 1 and the NW1/4 of the NE1/4 and the NE 1/4 of the NW 1/4 of Sec 12 = 5 acres total
The more I try to figure this out the more confused I get. But thanks for trying to help!
Michael,
You own an "undivided" portion of the property with that description. The description shows the gross acreage. You "co-own" the property with several other owners. The total of their undivided portion added to yours will equal the gross acreage.
I'm so sorry Dave, I guess I misread this message he posted.
Reply by Michael A Strong Two messages up.
I have a deed from the county with that description but stating in writing that it totals 5 undivided acres?
You are right,
1) I assumed he read that the 5 undivided acres correctly.
2) I assumed he was confused when he said in the subsequent message "The more I try to figure this out the more confused I get. But thanks for trying to help!."
A) Dave Says: "Everyone knows that you can own all or a portion of the minerals" Are you kidding? Everyone? It is not that uncommon for people to come here asking questions and to not understand that.
Dave Quincy said:
Cimmerom
You can assume that, but there is nothing in the discussion that indicates he owns an undivided portion. That wasn't his question. Based on the original question, one would have to answer it in terms of gross acres. Everyone knows that you can own all or a portion of the minerals. However, there is nothing at all in the discussion that indicates he owns an "undivided" portion. It's not supported by the facts. His deed is probably not being transcribed correctly by him, from the way it actually reads, to here.
I answered 2/3rds of his original question. I may answer part 2 in the next day or so, but in the meantime, you can stay on point and answer it if you want to help him out.
The original question concerned itself with gross acres.
On second thought, you can help him from here on out. If he wants to bring me back in, he will need to scan and post all of the applicable instruments affecting his interests. Otherwise, it is just a guess as to how the legal descriptions really might read.
Rick Howell said:Michael,
You own an "undivided" portion of the property with that description. The description shows the gross acreage. You "co-own" the property with several other owners. The total of their undivided portion added to yours will equal the gross acreage.
I'll bet! :)
Michael A Strong said:
You must be kidding! Other thoughts have crossed my mind.
Michael,
Excuse me for butting in on this spirited discussion, but here goes anyway!
I recommend you download a publication of the Consumer Services Division of the Oklahoma Corporation Commission, Basic Information for the Oklahoma Royalty Owner. The link is http://www.occeweb.com/cs/RoyaltyOwners10-4-13.pdf You can print any or all pages you wish. I have attached a page, 33 in the most recent revision, Oklahoma Section Grid (10 Acre Tracts). Pages 31 and 32 may prove helpful also.
The 2nd attachment is Oklahoma Township Grid, which I constructed as an aid to help my children. Since two of the sections you mention border on the township, I have included it. Many people on the Forum write asking "What is happening near my minerals?" The OCC website provides a quick and easy answer if you can identify the surrounding Section, Range, and Township.
I know this is more than you asked, but I well remember when I was just starting to learn a bit about this complicated and complex business.
And Rick is correct, even if you should own 100% of a described tract, it would still in fact be an "undivided" interest.
1591-OklahomaSectionGrid10AcreTracts.pdf (520 KB) 1592-OklahomaTownshipGrid.pdf (687 KB)Michael,
There are 3 ways I know of to do it do it. First break it down. Each time you see a semi-colon (in this case) or comma you are working with different tract or portion of the section.
E/2 NE/4 NE/4; SW 4 NE/4 NE/4; SW/4 NW/4 NE/4; N/2 S/2 NE/4
Method 1
E/2 NE/4 NE/4 = 1/2 x 1/4 x 1/4 x 640 (or .5 x .25 x .25 x 640) = 20
SW/4 NE/4 NE/4 = 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 x 640 (or .25 x .25 x .25 x 640) = 10
SW/4 NW/4 NE/4 = 1/4 x 1/4 x1/4 x 640 (or .25 x .25 x .25 x 640) = 10
N/2 S/2 NE/4 = 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/4 x 640 (or .5 x .5 x .25 x 640) = 40
20+10+10+40 = 80
Method 2
The third one may be easier to follow:
E/2 NE/4 NE/4 160/4 = 40 40/2 = 20
SW/4 NE/4 NE/4 160/4 = 40 40/4 = 10
Reading right to left, the NE/4 a ¼ of the section (640) so it is 160. Then the next NW/4 shows it is ¼ of the NE/4 so ¼ of 160 which is 40, the next SW/4 shows it is ¼ of 40 or 10 acres.
SW/4 NW/4 NE/4 160/4 = 40 40/4 = 10
N/2 S/2 NE/4 160/2 = 80 80/2 = 40
20+10+10+40 = 80
Method 3 plot it to see it visually,
E/2 NE/4 NE/4 Peach
SW 4 NE/4 NE/4 Blue
SW/4 NW/4 NE/4 Green
N/2 S/2 NE/4 Grey
Each of the smallest blocks represents 2.5 acres. 32 blocks * 2.5 = 80
or the next size larger blocks represents 10 acres.
All of this is for the standard 640 acre section. There are many cases where a section is not actually 640 acres. The ones you reference, Sections 27, 35, and 36 in Township 5S-1W in Carter Co, Oklahoma are all 640 acres each.
Here are a couple of more documents that might help.
OSU Legal Land Descriptions in Oklahoma
Dave,
Please correct/enhance/criticize as needed.
Ok. Let me try and clarify things. This is obviously all Greek to me. My wife and her sister inherited some mineral rights in two counties (love & carter) oklahoma. In Love I have a copy of a deed from the Assessors Office which (as I earlier stated) clearly states that we own 5 undivided acres in the property described as the SW 1/4 OF THE SE 1/4 of Section 1 and the NW 1/4 of the NE 1/4 and the NE 1/4 of Sec 12, all in the township 6 south, range 1 west. Dave Quincy tells me that is 120 acres in total of which we own five and other members of the family must own the rest. Do we all agree to this?
The three described properties that I started all of this with are in Carter County and we were deeded 1/8th of the described properties. My question was in hopes that someone could easily tell me how many acres there are in total. I'm not hoping to become an expert and don't really want any lessons, but I do apprecieate everyones efforts to this point. An oil company has offerred to buy these mineral rights and we'd like to know how many acres of mineral rights we actually have.
Thanks Rick. Let me see if I did it right. N/2 SW/4 = 80
The total for the three described properties in Carter County by my total is 340, right? And of that total we own 1/8 th , which is 42 mineral acres?
Dave. In hindsight I regret you trying (if you can call that trying) too. Please don't bother anymore. Your just a barrel of laughs and not much help. I thought my question was really simple. In the beginning you told me how easy it was to answer and nolw you think I need an attorney? Which is it. Ah don't answer that just go away.
