Township and Range Description

I searched Earth point Descriptions and located a Google Earth map of the land in Ms that we just found out we inherited Mineral Rights on …the map outlined a large area in an orange square and then an area grid with green dots in a smaller square … As I clicked on each green dot in the middle of each square the info SW SE SE SE SE etc showed up to signify the correct area/ blocks that match the land we have mineral rights on… It appears our land is in the bottom right hand corner and actually has what appears to be a new dirt road going through it …

The detail page gives the Township, Section and Range and then it shows under Calculated Values Acres 23, 048 …we share 30 acres of a 60 acre plot … Does the fact that a large orange box is highlighted possibly indicate the 23,048 acres and will that mean anything to us ? Thank you …

I use Earth Point. On my version the orange square is a township. 36 sections. A section is 640 acres. 640*36=23,040. The number of acres in a township will never be perfect due to the curvature of the earth. Sections 1-6 and 7,18,19,30,31 have lots and are "correction sections" to make up for this. Meaning those sections will not be 640 acres exactly.

Thank you…the squares inside the Township outline with green dots appear to be even …what significance is
that ? There are 16 green dot squares …the info I have is: SW 1/2 of SEc & north 1/2 of SEc of SE1/2 of section 27,township3north, range 8 in Smith co Ms Thanks again…

Each of the 16 green dots is the center of a 40.00 acre square. 40*16=640, being 1 section of land (1 square mile)

Normally your description would be something like this:

NW/4 NW/4 SE/4, Section 27-3N-8W. This is a 10 acre call. You read them backwards. This call is in the SE/4 (160 acres, being 1/4 of a 640 section), NW/4 (40 acres, being 1/4 of 160 acres), NW/4 (10 acres, being 1/4 of 40 acres).

Your call seems a little messed up. I think it might should be SW/2 of SE/4. These aren't quite normal calls but not unheard of. I have seen them described as the SW diagonal half of SE/4. If that's what it's meaning then it's an 80 acre call. I think the second part is the N/2 SE/4 SE/2. Again, if you have a SE/2, that's a diagonal call. The SE/2 of a section would be a line running diagonally from the Southwest corner to the Northeast corner. Then you would have the SE/4 of that. This is a strange way to make a call because nothing is square. You would now be calling the SE/4 of a 320 acre triangle.

I think the most likely answer is that whoever wrote the descriptions messed them up.

Interesting … I understand that we share 30 acres of a 60 acre plot …(possibly refers to the 1/2 in the description)
the form I received last week from Renaissance Petroleum ( he was just researching heirs) the title form is from
1943 .on a Mineral Right and Royalty Transfer form… It was notarized in 1946…
"The comment states: it is the intention of the grantor to convey and she does herby convey
30 full mineral acres in on and under the above described land "
Does that possibly mean we have surface rights also ??? Thank you!!

That is just a straight mineral deed.

Even if it had been a deed that transferred surface ownership, I believe you would have lost it long ago due to non payment of taxes. (since you didn't know you owned it)

To be clear though, I am not at all familiar with Mississippi law. I have never worked that state.

Thank you for your time and quick responses !!

Hi, Gail -

It's always fun to call people and tell them they own minerals and royalties they didn't know they had. Sometimes they have a hard time believing me!

Half interest in a 60 acre tract might not sound like a lot, but if it's the right 60 acres you might be in for some nice surprises.

If you will tell me the legal description in your Deed I will see what I can find out about any wells in your area.

You can reply here with the description or accept my request to become a Friend on The Forum and send it privately to me that way.

Hope this helps -

Charles

Charles Emery Tooke III

Certified Professional Landman

Fort Worth, Texas

She posted her description in the second reply. It's just strange. She did give an S-T-R though.

Now I see it. Thanks.

Gail -

The link below will allow you to download what I could find on your area on DrillingInfo:

http://www.hightail.com/download/elNJek9oZ1AzMWsxZXNUQw

If you can't click on the link, copy and paste it into your address bar.

It will expire in 90 days. If you can't get around to it before then, let me know and I'll reload it for you.

Scott, I'm sure Gail wouldn't mind it you took a look too. You might have some more input for her.

I found 29 wells that have been drilled in Section 27 or in the Sections immediately around it - some of them quite deep (over 15,000 feet). Unfortunately, none of them appear to be currently producing.

I looked further out, about another mile in every direction, and found 10 additional wells, but none of them appear to be producing either.

The most recent leasing in your area was in 2005 - 2007. I would imagine those leases have now expired.

Nothing seems to be going on in your area at present.

You said that a Landman contacted you, but that he was just researching heirs? For what purpose?

Maybe he is scouting the area for future leasing!

Something to keep in mind: If you ever negotiate a lease for your interests, add a provision to the lease that requires the company to provide you with a copy of their Title Run Sheet and any supplements to it, and any Title Opinions that are prepared on your properties.

They may try and talk you out of it, but stick to your guns. Land title research is very expensive - this would give you the complete history of your interests for free.

Sorry I don't have better news for you, but things are changing all the time.

Charles

PS - Something Scott didn't mention is that a 640 acre Section is a mile by a mile (5,280 feet by 5,280 feet). And, that a Section that is not a true 640 acre Section is referred to as an Irregular Section.

I used the wrong term " landman" to define the person I have been speaking with… he try’s to locate heirs…he’s located in
Houston Tx… he is not a landman…

Scott , I wrote the measurements from the deed … Do you think I looked at the correct “square with green dots” I just didn’t identify the correct placement on the square for the area associted with our rights…I thought it was the bottom right hand corner …
Is the small letter c …Ex;: SWc … Defined as “corner”? Thank you

Charles, I was able to pull up the four documents you saved on Hightail…not that I know exactly what to do with them.thank you …

The person I spoke to said they are looking at 100 sq miles to develop …I appear to have written the name down wrong …I couldn’t pull anything up on Rentetco2LLC ??? …he is with Renaissance. Petroleum Houston Tx . And they will be leasing the rights …this is all new terminology … Very interesting but there’s a lot to learn …

Also , is it normal for leases to be offered by phone initially as opposed to in writing ?? Thank yo…

Charles Emery Tooke III said:

Gail -

The link below will allow you to download what I could find on your area on DrillingInfo:

http://www.hightail.com/download/elNJek9oZ1AzMWsxZXNUQw

If you can’t click on the link, copy and paste it into your address bar.

It will expire in 90 days. If you can’t get around to it before then, let me know and I’ll reload it for you.

Scott, I’m sure Gail wouldn’t mind it you took a look too. You might have some more input for her.

I found 29 wells that have been drilled in Section 27 or in the Sections immediately around it - some of them quite deep (over 15,000 feet). Unfortunately, none of them appear to be currently producing.

I looked further out, about another mile in every direction, and found 10 additional wells, but none of them appear to be producing either.

The most recent leasing in your area was in 2005 - 2007. I would imagine those leases have now expired.

Nothing seems to be going on in your area at present.

You said that a Landman contacted you, but that he was just researching heirs? For what purpose?

Maybe he is scouting the area for future leasing!

Something to keep in mind: If you ever negotiate a lease for your interests, add a provision to the lease that requires the company to provide you with a copy of their Title Run Sheet and any supplements to it, and any Title Opinions that are prepared on your properties.

They may try and talk you out of it, but stick to your guns. Land title research is very expensive - this would give you the complete history of your interests for free.

Sorry I don’t have better news for you, but things are changing all the time.

Charles

PS - Something Scott didn’t mention is that a 640 acre Section is a mile by a mile (5,280 feet by 5,280 feet). And, that a Section that is not a true 640 acre Section is referred to as an Irregular Section.

The letter c probably does mean corner on the Earth Point, however I don't believe that to be your legal description.

Renaissance Petroleum is an operator. The reason I mentioned that I am not familiar with Mississippi law is that different states have varying laws when it comes to severed minerals. Maybe Mr. Tooke is more familiar with the area. I have just never worked Mississippi.

Also, it is not uncommon at all to make first contact to lease over the phone.

Actually the “c” is on my title description …thanks again for the clarifications …

Just keep what I sent you in your files. It doesn't tell you much but might be of some help in the future.

The Landman will clarify your legal description for you. I'm sure he or she will be happy to provide you with a map of the properties as well.

You said something about 100 square miles? That sounds like their getting ready for a 3D Seismic Shoot. If they offer you a Seismic Permit with an Option to Lease, remember that you have to negotiate all of the terms of your lease at that point - not after they do the shoot.

If you have never leased land before for oil and gas development, it would be advisable to consult an experienced oil and gas Attorney on the issue.

There are thousands of them in the Houston area. If you need me to suggest a few, I can do that. Or, if you would prefer one in Mississippi, I know of two that are quite qualified.

One other thing, download and take a look at this lease:

http://www.hightail.com/download/elNJek9pTk1EbUpvZE1UQw

Christine Donohue, another Mineral Owner that contacted me through The Forum sent it to me to review. I think it's one of the best leases I've ever seen and strongly suggest you consider using it for leasing your interests.

Just please don't tell them where you got it.

Scott, you're gonna love this one...

Hope this helps -

Charles

Again, not yet having this new “terminology” completely down yet I get caught off guard the few times I have spoken to the man from Rennisance in Houston… I live in Tn … we have rights in Ms … Yesterday when the 100 sq miles was mentioned I think he said they were almost finished with seismic testing and we ( heirs to our small 30 acre mineral rights ) should be getting a phone call shortly (reason for my question regarding the initial contact being a phone call )…

Under what circumstances are they required to get a prior permit from us before seismic testing begins ?? . And if the testing "is almost complete " is it safe to assume possibly their interest in finding all the heirs to our mineral rights means their testing may indicate potential oil on the land we have rights to ??/ or is that just wishful thinking :slight_smile: Thank you …

They just need permission from the surface owner to run seismic in any of the states I have worked.

Gail -

I am not any more familiar with Mississippi law than Scott is, but do not think he is correct about the company's only needing permission from the Surface Owners to perform seismic testing.

It is my understanding that when they are performing seismic testing, it is for oil and gas purposes. Oil and Gas are Real Property, just as Surface Ownership is, therefore the company has to have permission to test the potential of such rights from at least some of the Mineral Owners.

All they are required to do with Surface Owners is negotiate a settlement for surface damages. They lay cables everywhere and drill holes to certain depths to lower the microphones into, sometimes damaging crops or cutting down trees and that sort of thing.

I know that in the State of Louisiana, because of it's laws being based upon the Napoleonic Code, they have to obtain Seismic Permits from at least 70% of the Mineral Owners and then settle with the Surface Owners for damages. In shooting a 100 square miles of 3D Seismic that can become quite expensive, so you don't see as much seismic testing in Louisiana as you do in other states.

The rest of the country is based upon English Common Law, which allows for much less expensive initial testing.

I would imagine that it varies from State to State, but I know that in Texas you can have the smallest smidgen of mineral interest permitted and you can test all you want (every Mineral Owner - no matter how small the interest - has the right to have his or her minerals tested in any way they want).

Unless the company has information from other sources, such as Well Logs from prior drilling or earlier 2D Seismic testing to identify specific lands with the potential for successful development, the company will frequently obtain Seismic Permits from the smallest percentage Mineral Owners they can successfully negotiate Seismic Permits with in order to minimize their expenses before they perform their Shoot.

For someone in your position, it's what they do after they complete their Shoot that is the interesting part.

When the company studies the results of their seismic testing, they can very accurately determine which specific lands have the potential for successful well completions from whatever formation or formations they are targeting.

In 100 square miles, they may only determine a 40 acre tract here, an 80 acre tract there, maybe a Section here and there - that sort of thing. Those are the lands they are going to want to lease and drill.

If Renaissance is reviewing title to your lands to determine all of the Mineral Owners after they have completed their seismic testing and review, that indicates to me that they have determined that your lands have extremely high potential for successful development.

That puts you, as an unleased Mineral Owner, in a very powerful position when it comes to negotiating a lease.

With only 30 net mineral acres in a 60 acre gross tract of land, you might never be "Rich", but you may have a very interesting next few months. And, if they are successful in their drilling efforts, a nice, tidy royalty income for years to come.

Hope this helps -

Charles

PS: If you share ownership in your 30 net mineral acres with other family members, it would be advisable for you to negotiate your lease together.

Charles, I appreciate the detail of your response …I understand … I am part of a HUGE family … On the title my great uncle bought rights with two other men in 1943 on these 30 acres in question… There has never been any leases on this land…until possibly now …I was contacted last week and was asked to provide the names and addresses of 14 family heirs of my great grandfather (his brother … the great uncle … had three more siblings and they each have heirs … Then there’s the two other men and their families !!!’ so I figure we may end up with a monthly check of 25 cents a month :slight_smile:

This Houston man did say there are already pipelines in the area… I again am assuming the pipelines have never been on our land since my father , uncles never talked or I’m sure knew anything about theses mineral rights …
based on what you said, approval for permits could have been from any group of owners …
Thank you again