Need help determining value of mineral rights in Grady County in 2011 when these were inherited: Sect 6, Town 9 N, Range 7 W Sect 9, Town 9 N, Range 7 W Sect 28, Town 8 N, Range 7 W Sect 31, Town 10 N, Range 7 W
I don’t know whether they are producing or not. A little background - my husband and I sold those mineral rights in May, 2017. My husband passed away in August, 2018. He had filed our 2017 taxes and had noted a loss on those properties. In looking over the 2017 returns, my CPA found a couple of mistakes, not related to the mineral sales, and plans to file an amended return. However, he would like to have some basis for the loss my husband noted. I have been unable to find anything in his records to support that. The CPA needs something to support the claim of a loss should the IRS question it. Thus, my need for the values in 2011.
August, 2011, when my mother-in-law passed away
I cannot comment on their value with much precision, but I can tell you what the activity was in 2011.
6-9N-7W- August 2011 no production. No pooling in area, so no information on lease value that is public. Continental Resources and Concho land was leasing section 6 in 2008 and 2010 for 3/16ths. Value would have been pretty low. Current activity-Locke 1H-6 First production 1-2018. Roan Resources. Surface location is in 1-9N-8W.
9-9N-7W- August 2011 -no production. Continental and a few others were leasing in 2011 at 3/16ths. Value probably pretty low. No pooling in the area until 2017-18, so no public data on bonus values. Current activity Lensgraf 1-9-4XHM new well permit issued 11/15/18. Dobry 1-16-21-28XHM. Going south. No royalties in 9 on the Dobry. Continental Resources is operator.
28-8N-7W August 2011 -no production. Continental and Jackfork and a few others were leasing in 2008-11 at 3/16ths. Value probably pretty low. No pooling in the area until 2017-18, so no public data on bonus values. Drilling didn’t pick up in the area until 2013.
Current activity- Meadors 1-28H drilled in 2013.
31-10N-7W August 2011 -no production. Bearcat probably for Continental, QEP Energy, Schonwald Land and a few others were leasing in 2008-2011 at 3/16ths. Value probably pretty low. No pooling in the area until 2016-18, so no public data on bonus values from 2011. Current activity-lots of horizontal activity nearby, but no well in 31 yet.
Sampling of mineral sales during August, 2011…
Section 11-8N-7W Book 4405 Page 468… $3,000 / acre for 9 acres
Section 04-9N-7W Book 4404 Page 315… $3,133 / acre for 7.5 acres
Section 36-9N-7W Book 4404 Page 309… $3,200 / acre for 2.5 acres
Section 06-9N-7W Book 4404 Page 307… $3,111 / acre for 2.25 acres
Section 35-9N-7W Book 4404 Page 305… $3,125 / acre for 4 acres
I would contend those sales were about 25% (or less) of the actual value based on recent comments by Continental Resources about their efforts to purchase minerals. I don’t know what basis your husband used unless there was something in your mother-in-law’s probate. Have you talked with the attorney who handled your mother-in-law’s probate?
Thank you for all that information. That may be very helpful.
Thank you so much. This information will probably be very useful. My mother-in-law had a revocable living trust, so there was no probate.
Don, can you tell me where you get this sales info. I am trying to get comp values for 07-9n-5w.
idocmarket.com , which is the online subscription site for Grady County Clerk filings. I looked at mineral deed (MD) sales for the specific time period mentioned above and further refined the search to only the specific range mentioned. The search returned 31 results.
The price per acre is determined by taking the Doc Fee divided by 1.5 times $1,000 = total sales amount. Total sales amount divided by the number of acres = price per acre
Note: The number of acres is not always given so a price per acre cannot be determined without additional research.
Thank you for this additional information,Don, as well as all your time spent in researching.
How can I find out how the DOBRY 1-16-21-28XHM is doing and what it all means?
Test You can find the well in the link in blue. Type in Dobry in the well name. Not the whole name. The completion report is Form 1002A.
The well is online, but you will not find the production yet since it is too new. The well went active on the OK tax site in February 2019. Gross Production
Production figures usually run about four-six months late.
Thank you! What is considered “good” production numbers?
That question is very difficult to answer. It depends upon the reservoir, the completion techniques, the product being produced, the area and comparable other wells.
Mr Bray, I am looking for similar information for Canadian County in a similar timeframe as this (April 2011) – specifically 8/12n/6w and 5/12n/6w. Can you point me in a similar direction? Our estate attorney gave us a suspiciously low valuation at the time; I’m preparing to close a sale and will need to know for proper tax basis. Anything you can provide would help – thanks so much!
From what I can tell you will have to call the Canadian County Clerk at (405) 295-6000. They have a website to look at records, but you may have to sign-up to use it. I was not able to get any results, but I only attempted a couple of times.
Thanks for your help!
James, First of all I am not a CPA only a mineral owner, and my comments are only my opinion, but for a basis I would use what I paid for the asset or if inherited use the value for the Probated asset filed by the County Clerk. Of course I do not know your details. You could go back and look at sales in 2011 in that Section ( 2011 sales should be on the internet - to make it easier ), but of course the sale amount is sometimes not shown on he deed, but sometimes you can determine it by the Taxes paid. Using the Probate amount would be the easiest. If a Trust you and you are 2nd,… 3rd Trustee you will need some research…
Mr. Bray, Several times over the past several years you have provided me with helpful information. I’m on that quest again. I’ve been absent from the forum for almost a year. I have 20 acres of minerals In Grady County, Section 20 5 North 6 West. Echo drilled a horizontal well September 2018. It is a modest producing well; however, it apparently is far less than Echo had hoped. They’d originally planned for a 3 well platform, but canceled the remaining two after Venus 1-20 began producing. This week, out of the blue, I received a call from an oil company in Houston Bayou Land. They’re offering me $10,000 per acre for all 20 acres or a part of my acreage. They’ve called several times this week asking if I’d made a decision. Bottom line: I’d like to know why they are so interested in my minerals. Do you know anything happening in this area of Grady County to warrant this kind of interest. I’ll be most appreciative for any information you can provide. Thanks, Bob Craig
Companies offering to buy acreage want royalties. Current ones and future ones. Considering that there have been about 25 recent OCC cases for increased density in that township, the potential buyer sees value. They will probably flip it to someone else. Compared to other offers that I have heard of in that township, your offer may be low. It would depend upon the royalty rate that goes with it. 1/8th will be lower than 3/16ths, etc. Companies that offer to buy are pretty sure they will make a profit off of your minerals. Keep that in mind. The sections to the east of you have eight horizontal wells…
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